himmelfarb: and that's our--in--in new york, in brooklyn. it was actually in brooklyn. c-span: now what were--what were those meetings all about? ms. himmelfarb: well, they were rather f--they were rather-rather ludicrous from any point of view, and even at the time, i think we thought that they were rather--rather odd, rather bizarre. well, there we were, young, very militant socialists who thought we were going to reform the world. i forget what we--the young people's socialist league fourth international, i think, was the grand name that was given to this little group, and we were going to convert this little group of--of--we, this--this handful of people, were going to convert the masses to socialism, i suppose, was the idea. so that--that--that's--that was the--the ostensible background of all of this. (end of excerpt) c-span: your wife. >> guest: yes. well, one of the reasons i have always looked back with some good feelings toward my ra--rather brief period as a trotskyist is i met my wife there. i was, in fact, 20, and she was 18. we were married a year later an